saltybear
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Boy,these guys are dumber than a sack of hammers!  Wake up!If they go on strike,that will be the end of containers out of P.R. for a Very long time!Like,they are underpaid!The U.S.is loving this. |
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BoNeCrAcKeR
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I haven't been following this. What are their issues? I couldn't imagine that it would be wages. Benefits, pension maybe? Maybe "craneman" can fill us in if he's out there.
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Jutt
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It has nothing to do with how much they are getting paid, get your facts straight first buddy haha
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hitest
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It has nothing to do with how much they are getting paid, get your facts straight first buddy haha
Hey, Jutt, welcome to HTMF:) Would you care to elaborate on this?  |
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Jutt
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haha i've been on htmf before but i forgot my damn password. As for filling you guys in; all i can really say is it has nothing to do with the money, mostly pension plan and stuff. Its not even the workers union its the foreman that are in negotiations.
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saltybear
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It makes no difference which dummies shut it down,or what the issues are...the facts are we are in a recession like it or not and having a job that pays as well as these do hardly makes job action a wise move.typical union mentality.sad!
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MiG
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I think you miss the whole point of a collective action. It's not "typical union mentality" -- it's the power of collective bargaining.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, which is the beauty of democracy.
Collective bargaining is also a part of democracy.
What do you propose? That in a recession, that there not be any democratic principles? Or just the ones you agree with?
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Moon_Goddess
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Just to set the record straight on this debate.
The employers are the ones who are not bargaining, it has nothing to do with the singular longshoreman.
The employers walked out of the negotiations two weeks ago so why are you blaming the longshoreman for something they did not personally begin?
If if was up to the worker there would not be a strike.
PS-- two other points that should be noted here:
The Ontario teachers union owns one of the terminals in Vancouver, hence they are one of the employers who are not willing to bargain.
Number 2: The actual cost of labour is approx 2% of the gross income the ports bring in.
I am certain that the longshoreman are not looking forward to a strike as everyone needs to have the $$ coming in.
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Deja Moo: The feeling you've heard this Bull before!
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saltybear
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it is not hard to see the "union" mentality coming through!this is at the expense of the community but who cares as long as we prove our point.
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MiG
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Why is "union" in quotation marks?
What is the "union" mentality that you speak of? Collective bargaining?
What is your solution? How would you get the employer to negotiate? What do you propose?
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mcsash
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it is not hard to see the "union" mentality coming through!this is at the expense of the community but who cares as long as we prove our point.
Jesus Saltleigh Bear. You sound like the concerned citizen group that bashed the shit out of PPWC local 4, when the snake oil sales man venier came to town and rammed the piece of shit contract down our throats back then. When all the union was trying to do was secure the best things for our members and inevitably the community. Now where are those people...the union is still saying "I told ya so!!". Unless your a stakeholder ie longshore person or the employer, shut your mouth as there is a media blackout in effect.....so we the public dont know the real issues. Union mentality is what drives the country and the non union sector wages as well. |
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if ya cant edit them...hoffa them
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The retreads here conceded a 10% rollback to Conifex mill. The mills got $5 million of free logs and millions in retraining grants from the gov't, the guys aren't back to work yet, but they're already conceding before the mill fires up. Some of the guys working elsewhere won't be coming back. $2-$3 an hour less. The guys that do are gonna have real fun getting out of foreclosure earning less. And the main point is that no one's buying 2x4s so the mill might not open if they rolled back to $5 an hour! And people who don't work there are cheering. That's "anti-union' mentality. |
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My karma ran over your dogma.
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mcsash
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The retreads here conceded a 10% rollback to Conifex mill.
And people who don't work there are cheering. That's "anti-union' mentality.
WHy would they cheer? Because its hope that the economy might have a sort of stimulus?... Because the good working folk bent over and took one for the "town"? Disgusting.... |
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if ya cant edit them...hoffa them
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hitest
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Union mentality is what drives the country and the non union sector wages as well.
I couldn't agree more, mcsash! People who earn a good union wage contribute a lot to the community by buying goods and services, thus kick-starting the economy. People who earn little money pay next to no taxes. No tax revenue means no funds for the government to upgrade roads, infrastructure, etc. |
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bubbasteve735
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Well, as much as I hate to get involved with all the drama. Isn't it just the wealthy that are truly against unions? |
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"The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity."
- George Bernard Shaw
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