Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!



Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby jesus » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:00 am

douchebag watson wrote:
You really are a piece of work. First you call me a terrorist
although I have never hurt anyone nor do I commit violence to
animals, and then when I suggest that your threat to break a crab in
half while alive is a terrorist act, you get all righteous and ask me
if I understand what a terrorist is? Then you accuse me of throwing
that word around loosely as if you did not.

    You seem to think it's just find to make unfounded accusations of
terrorism against me and then you get offended when I retaliate in
kind, which I did so purposely to illustrate the ridiculousness of
your accusations.

    I have no problem with bears or sharks but I do have a problem
with your 5 week old kitten. Domestic housecats are presently
consuming more tuna than all the world's seals put together. Tuna is
not a natural food for a housecat and in fact it has adverse health
effects for cats so yes I am against your housecat eating tuna.

    I would have nothing against you eating meat if you ate meat in
the same manner that bears and sharks do. I've never heard of a bear
packing chickens into tiny cages, cutting off their beaks and forcing
them to live in their own shit. I've never heard of a bear raising
salmon in pens, depriving them of their freedom and shooting them
full of hormones. I've never heard of a bear filling up a sack with
crabs, throwing it into a truck and then tossing them into boiling
water. I've never heard of a bear that is participating in the mass
genocide of other bears or laying waste to the environment or causing
global warming.

    There are not enough fish and crabs in the ocean to continue to
feed the ever expanding populations of humans. I don't see bears or
wolves breeding out of control. This is not the natural behaviour of
predators. It is the natural behaviour of parasites.

        Bears and sharks are meat eaters. Humans are not. When was
the last time you pounced on an animal and brought it down and ate it
raw. Never. Some humans who call themselves meat eaters are in fact
carrion eaters. They eat dead putrefied flesh. A better comparison
would be with vultures or maggots. Some of the meat you eat has been
dead and decaying for months. Predators perform a valuable service
within eco-systems. Humans do not. Six billion dead carcass eaters
who have to unnaturally mass produce other animals to slaughter so
that they can eat their dead decaying flesh.

    When a real predator attacks prey, a combination of adrenaline
and shock alleviates pain in the prey. The prey are usually animals
that have lived free lives and prey and predator are partners in an
ecological cycle. Humans raise their animals in horrific conditions
and deprive them of their liberty. They then slaughter them in
Auschwitz type death camps with no respect and without any emotion.

    Yes nature is cruel but humans are more cruel. We have set
ourselves above nature and act like all life is meant to be
sacrificed for our good.

    I have no problem with humans eating meat if they live in a
hunting gathering life style where they are a part of an eco-system.
However when humans choose to separate themselves from an eco-system
and then begin to destroy these eco-systems the only remedy is to
work towards a shallower ecological footstep.

    The production of animals for food is one of the greatest sources
of water and land waste in the world. It is a major source of
pollution. For example the ground water of the entire state of North
Carolina has been contaminated by hog farms. World fisheries are
collapsing because we have raped the oceans and removed life faster
than it can regenerate. There is only 2% of the North Atlantic cod
species left. We have diminished Orange roughy, Patagonia sea bass,
and Bluefin tuna to near extinction.

    But to get back to the original argument. What part of PREVENTION
OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS are you not getting? I have asked you this
before but you have chosen to ignore me. We were opposing the blatant
hypocrisy of an organization claiming to prevent cruelty while at the
same time inflicting cruelty. If you want to be a callous and cruel
individual by boiling a crab alive, that is your choice. However the
SPCA should know better. This was not about you eating crabs or not
eating crabs it was about the SPCA violating one of their primary
objective which is to prevent cruelty to animals.

    I'm probably wasting my time because you hear what you want to
hear and see what you want to see and you like so many other humans
quickly rationalize your own cruelty and cannot bear to have this
cruelty exposed. That is why you are so indignant with me, I'm
confronting you with a contradiction you don't wish to see. I am
exposing a truth you simply wish to willfully deny.

    The fact is that our objective has been achieved. The Prince
Rupert Chapter of the SPCA has cancelled the event. It was a victory
for the animals against hypocrisy. All your silly accusations will
not change the fact that we achieved what we intended. End of story.

    If you have any more anthropocentric pontificating please feel
free to write back. I do enjoy debating with people like you. It
gives me an insight into how humans justify cruelty, abuse and
ecological destruction.

Thanks

Paul Watson



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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby Dave » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:35 am

jesus wrote:But to get back to the original argument. What part of PREVENTION
OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS are you not getting? I have asked you this
before but you have chosen to ignore me. We were opposing the blatant
hypocrisy of an organization claiming to prevent cruelty while at the
same time inflicting cruelty. If you want to be a callous and cruel
individual by boiling a crab alive, that is your choice. However the
SPCA should know better. This was not about you eating crabs or not
eating crabs it was about the SPCA violating one of their primary
objective which is to prevent cruelty to animals.


This is very interesting.  Crabs belong to the family phylum arthropods, which happens to be one of the largest families of animals on earth...and for that matter, one of the most successful.  This same family of animals also includes ticks, spiders, and insects.  Not surprisingly the dog flea is also a member of this "animal" family.  Using Watson's logic (whatever that means) the SPCA could not and should not clean a dog or cat infested with fleas.  As that would be cruel to the flea.   However, to not clean the infected dog or cat seems to be more cruel.  Very strange!!
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby jesus » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:48 am

Dave wrote:This is very interesting.  Crabs belong to the family phylum arthropods, which happens to be one of the largest families of animals on earth...and for that matter, one of the most successful.  This same family of animals also includes ticks, spiders, and insects.  Not surprisingly the dog flea is also a member of this "animal" family.  Using Watson's logic (whatever that means) the SPCA could not and should not clean a dog or cat infested with fleas.  As that would be cruel to the flea.  However, to not clean the infected dog or cat seems to be more cruel.  Very strange!!


Well,

Unfortunately he is only interested in protecting sea creatures, unless of course it suits his argument best to be in support of all animals. The guy is a grade A douchebag.
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby jesus » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:28 pm

me wrote:
> To: "Paul Watson"
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Spca - reply from Paul Watson to James the defender of
> boiling crabs alive.
>
>
> You sir are a joke, if sinking ships to prove your political point
> doesnt fit the definition of terrorism I dont know what does. You
> say when a real predator attacks prey the shock alleviates the pain
> well I dont know about you but if i was thrown into a pot of
> boiling water  i sure would be shocked.
>
> Oddly you infer that humans are like vultures and prey on the
> decaying flesh of creatures. Well hey guess what, bears tend to do
> that too, and your precious crab well they're essentially the
> vultures of the sea.
>
> You say you have no problem with humans hunting and gathering food,
> so how do you think these crabs were caught? they sure as hell
> werent raised in a fish tank.
>
> You also say that this violates the spca's mandate how? This is not
> cruel the crabs die instantly sure it sounds harsh but the crabs
> sure arent movingg around "screaming" in the water. The spca is
> essentially having a bake sale to raise funds to protect animals. I
> realise your crabs are precious to you as they were passed on to
> you by your long term girlfriend however you have hurt your cause
> more than anything. Sure the spca pansies stopped the crab cook out
> but that doesnt mean I will not organise the same thing.
>
> Finally on to your comment about humans not being natural meat
> eaters, we are in fact omnivores proving once again what an
> uneducated douchebag you really are.  Sure you can throw big words
> around  but your stupidity still shines through.
>
>
> Cheers

douchebag wrote:
> Subject: Final reply to Mr. I just don't get it from Prince Rupert.
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:16:53 -0700
>
>
> Any insult from you is in fact a compliment because you seem to
> have a complete failure to comprehend what you read.
> If you wish to inflict suffering on some crabs, it is your choice.
> Our problem was with the hypocrisy of the SPCA but your little mind
> has so far failed to get the message - you seem to think that we
> are attacking you. You're not a hypocrite - you're just plain
> ignorant and very arrogant about your ignorance by the way.
> oh and omnivore means eating plants and animals - it does not mean
> eat carrion and plants.
> Obviously you do not support the SPCA anyway so what is your problem?
> You seem strangely defensive.
> Anyway I've got three ships to run and three major campaigns to
> coordinate and no more time to waste debating you so have a nice
> day.
> It's been fun but when you can learn to comprehend English, get back to me.
>
>
> Paul Watson

me wrote:Dear Mr doucehbag;

Wow someone doesnt like it when i bring up the terrorist acts hes
performed in the past. You failed to counter any point I have made
and simply spouted your rhetoric which by the way just makes you look
like more of a nutjob.

I guess this is what you bored wannabe hippies do since you dont have
a war to protest anymore.

If you think I was actually trying to debate you you are sorely
mistaken, I figured I would email you for a good laugh which you have
provided to me and many others.

Thanks for your time.



I guess he's given up and gone back to dropping acid or whatever old burnt out hippies do.

I guess it was fun while it lasted, ok not really but it truly does prove what a retard he is.

I realise my emails were also retarded but that was sorta the point.  I guess he thinks by using words like carrion I wont know what hes talking about when in fact he is too retarded to tell the difference between fresh crab and decaying fish.

Ah well i guess once you drink the kool-aid theres no going back you might as well follow through and cut your balls off and kill yourself so you can hop on that spaceship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(cult)

incase you didnt know what i was talking about.
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby jesus » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:59 pm

Yawn

douchebag wrote:> Subject: Another round - just for a laugh
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:04:15 -0700
>
>
> I will reply to this asinine message only because you accuse me of
> something that you are guilty of  and that is not responding to
> something that I brought up. You neglected to respond to quite a
> few things that I questioned you on.
>
> I have never committed a terrorist act because if I had I would
> have been arrested for doing so and I have no criminal record. The
> SSCS only targets illegal activities and no charges have ever been
> brought against us for shutting down pirate whalers and illegal
> fishing activities. I have no problem crossing borders. I have a
> passport and I am not barred from any nation. I even fly on
> airplanes without being harassed. You calling me a terrorist does
> not make me one - just another example of someone tossing around a
> word they have no idea of what it means.
>
> You are entitled to refer to me as a nutjob or anything else - it
> really does not matter. I have numerous books published, I'm an
> advisor on numerous film projects and a motion picture is being
> made about my life. I also head a major international conservation
> organization with 40,000 members.  I've lectured to over 200
> Universities and have taught at UCLA so if I am a nutjob all I can
> say is that it pays well and I've gotten quite a few awards for it.
>
> By the way one of those awards is the George Bush Daily Points of
> Light which usually is not given to terrorists. I was also named
> one of the 100 environmental heroes of the 20th Century by Time
> Magazine and I am an honorary citizen of four cities. Yes nutjobs
> like us get lots of recognition.
>
> As for protesting wars, I have been in a few wars including as a
> medic, and if you had the same experiences of war that I have you
> would be protesting war also but I presume your knowledge of war
> comes as a television spectator and not from experiencing the real
> thing.
>
> As for providing you with a good laugh - my pleasure. The feeling
> is quite mutual I assure you.
>
> Now for your English lesson again. Debate means going back and
> forth with arguments and that is what you have been doing so by
> saying that I am mistaken about you trying to debate me only
> demonstrates that you have no idea what the word means.
>
> Paul Watson


me wrote:Well that was quite the self congratulatory blowjob you just gave
yourself. Congratulations on that. Oddly enough I believe you are
full of shit and have had charges filed against you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson
http://www.targetofopportunity.com/paul_watson.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd
http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_06.1 ... enviro.php
"There's nothing wrong with being a terrorist, as long as you win."

sound familiar? of course in light of recent events I am sure you
wouldnt say such a thing.

Now you can go ahead and deny all of this but there have been charges
laid directly against you.

Again, you sir are full of shit.
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby herbie_popnecker » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:56 pm

Lay off the old hippy shit. Not all of us burn out :-D
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby Justin Case » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:55 pm

Glad to hear that there is another old Hippy out there on HTMF. I have been feeling alone but I am saved bla bla bla, Amazing Grace .
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby BigThumb » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:03 pm

I think he got you jesus :-o.

  You blame him for sticking to his rhetoric but he is only stating why he thinks there was hypocrisy in the SPCA crab boil from his point of view.  We may not agree with him but he got the result he wanted.  I see a lot of ad hominem in your arguments right from the start. 
The ramming of whaling ships might seem like a terrorist act to many but to him, it's a response to some countries disagreement with moratoriums on whaling.  In keeping with his view of life, he sees himself as a defender of marine life.  He might be wacko but he must also get support from a lot of people because he still runs his operation.

Give up buddy.
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby MiG » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:15 pm

It's not just whaling ships he has rammed.  Normal everyday fishing ships as well, even ones with perfectly legal permits, doing perfectly legal fishing.  He's even rammed Coast Guard ships.  That's the definition of a criminal to me -- doing something illegal to stop somebody from doing something legal.

His "blockade" of St. John's is textbook "terrorism" in my opinion.  He basically threatened to sink the first vessel that left the harbour.  You'll note that Paul Watson likes to take credit for inventing 'tree spiking'.

If you define terrorism as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives" then Paul Watson is a terrorist.  He does use illegal force, and he constantly threatens it, on property and individuals to achieve his ideological objectives (namely, fundraising).

Paul Watson has repeatedly stated that he believes his organization has the moral obligation and right to use force to _enforce_ his views. 

Finally, Mr. Watson himself has admitted his activities amount to terrorism, but really, he doesn't care.  He's God, and he doesn't care about such civilized things as human laws.  He's admitted he doesn't give a shit about humans -- "a traitor to my own species" is how he describes himself.

Here's something for you to google:  http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22There' ... ou+win.%22

So there's _no_ debate that he considers himself a terrorist, and that his actions have often fit the terrorism definition very well.

The real question is why we treat this terrorist differently than others?
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby jesus » Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:13 pm

Actually mig, you should read the emails he now denys being a terrorist. I guess thats not a good word to associate yourself with anymore. I was attacking him but it was all in the name of fun. Anyone who takes that kind of shit seriously is a wacko anyway and nobody will ever change their mind. Might as well poke fun at them rather than argue.
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Re: Like a crab in a tall pot, SPCA finds itself in hot water!

Postby herbie_popnecker » Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:36 am

Animal causes are fine, but one should be able to distinguish between a German Shepherd and a Norwegian Wharf Rat, between a whale and a crustacean.
The concept of "rights" and "equality" only applies to homo sapiens, not codfish... if only some people could distinguish that difference.
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